Taken in the context of his lambasting in the Thesmophoriazusae, the spurious claims against him for educating the youth and, in many ways, more than I or anyone can count, his shaping of the future of Western Civilization, Socrates’ statements are a kind of homage (a custom among the Greeks who would always cite the Iliad/Odyssey as examples, referencing the perspectives of this deity or that person as an ethical case history and digging up a common ground for all parties, from which to grow the fruit of knowledge).

Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto
I am a man: nothing that is human is alien to me.

An idea much later crystallized by Terence and others but certainly present in many forms prior to Socrates.

What does the old bastard really mean here? For it is certain that this idea has subsequently been co-opted by the New World Order (NWO) and its luminaries, shat out into this or that meme, with the UN Global Citizen chief among the formalized entities.

I, for one, see the NWO as an inherently Parasitizing phenomena. A study of the tacit psychology of the NOW adherents, as well as the nature in which they have and do Hijack ideas; cultures; logistics etc. reveals in great detail an inversion of force, a confusion of instincts and the most monstrous tendencies.

It’s almost so obvious it doesn’t need to be said.

But I shall speak of it a bit nonetheless, attempting to hammer out certain impurities and create a more complete synthesis for others to take up, as a position in the larger cultural, information-based war for the future of our species.

They enjoy corrupting what is pure. The hidden mysteries of every tropism unfold to the light of this wisdom. Within the shell of this perspective, a nodal logic for ever yearns.

But enough of such niceties, we have bigger fish to fry and the coal will not mine itself here.

Our forefathers and those who have come before us as creators and thinkers have been stolen, hijacked, and parasitized; their ideas overrun; the ramparts of our fourth estate overrun.

History books written by losers, losers who achieved what no King or Lord could through conquest, via deception. They have stolen the world 60x over and created an Economic Deathstar. An Economic Black Hole Machine with which to harass and threaten, to punish and to destroy as no army or military force ever could, the lives of its enemies.

The hijacking of ideas was part of it and one must seek to reclaim our ancestry with appropriate vigor if we are ever to prevail. But I already see it happening you know? Again in ways that rightly Should Not BE quantified – I see an efflorescence of The Great Conversation.

It is as if some stalwart captain that none can see had advanced in this late hour and put his hand upon the wheel.

It is as if someone who truly understood what Socrates meant that day stepped in and couldn’t take it anymore, broke every rule and laughed in the face of some unknown Prime Directive.

To whom if not the gods did Socrates make such an homage? Was this not his way of saying “not only am I devout, I am more devout than any of you can possibly imagine.”

I am Zarathustra the godless. Who better to do His work than I?

The most fucked up thing the son of a preacher man ever said right? In this there is wisdom. This is an answer for men, both certain men and all men.

Socrates was a true humanist, and this idea itself has been hijacked and “stood on its head”.

Socrates here is trying to convince people(himself really, as always, eh old man? oh how I know you! oh, how the halls of Orcus are buzzing today!), without rhetoric, without affectation, dropping truth bombs on ancient sheeple: that it is the type, man, which is our concern.

Indeed, on that day he was given the hemlock, Socrates became the first truther.

Socrates was Our forefather and the ideas of the Republic belong to Us and Us alone.

The same is true of Fritz (and even Machiavelli, who is today still thoroughly misread – oh, how these modernists would be throw under the feet and drowned in the canals of a proper venetian/good european).

But who today understands these things? Only the unlucky, I assure you.

And yet something sleeps within Western Man – the sum of all these forces upon the bowstring of his will to power – somewhere cries out and is unheard, waiting for a day that is fast Preparing Itself for such strange fish.

This understanding is like a volcano waiting to erupt. Incredible, pent-up forces below the surface today are eager to break free and even those who are barely conscious at all are somehow aware of it.

liberty’s statue oh, how they rape her

its Astarte you should open you eyes

dont believe the forced scarcity of lies

I froze time back in the nineties

Subtracted the sum of all your fears

And got lost in a forest of pine trees

I came back here just in time

To rip out the demon’s spine

And distill a perfect wine

Recalling what the blind sees

For centuries we have been slaves

A thousand years I watched you toil

Something deep within me craves

Something down, beyond the coil

Outside of the measured range

Unquantified and to us strange

A cage in which sits endless branes

Who dream but to despoil

I hijacked the hijackers

I stole back our heritage

And everything in me inters

From out a mountain hermitage

That which built the world order

New and old, the endless slaughter

Coined by Babylon’s own daughter

I even burnt the stage

Holiest of holies art thou

Glowing heart, which yields itself

In you, strength there is enow

To give rebirth; restore all health

A heart which any sacrifice

Would gladly pay, at any price

To free the slaves of this device -

Must pay-out endless wealth

pay attention plebs; perpend – this is the story of your end.
and yet the underdog is winning,
the story too, of your Beginning.

Okay now write the same nasty things about Jim Rogers… oh, wait. Ron Paul, the only non NWO-puppet candidate in 35 years of living on this fucking ball of mud with imbeciles like your sorry ass and all manner of useful idiot has to buzz like an insect in the worst way possible. This is the final revolution. When you have successfully created a populace consisting of slaves who mistakenly think themselves free, when you have systematically so abused the mind of man, from birth to death with junk information and relentless lies, having literally programmed generations of humans, feeding them their “consciousness through a tube” – the war is over. The only thing left to us now is cultural and information-based warfare – the incrementalists have succeeded in creating the Ultimate Politcial Weapon – a zombie army electorate of brainwashed holier-than-thou experts equipped with endless ginned up data sets. People whose idea of rational critique is to string together 4chan memes. Thousands of years of art and culture reduced to “lolumadbro” Meanwhile… Logistical reality is knocking at the door and is ready to throw the author of this piece into the ash bin of history where he belongs.

I spent a considerable amount of time writing yesterday, attempting to concisely sum up why I think Alex Jones is controlled opposition (even though I don’t believe he’s aware of it and I still think he means well).

/and I thank you for your time, please know that I take your arguments seriously and respect the effort moreover/

I totally failed with the “concisely” part. I think this is mostly because I have no basis upon which to project what details of data you already know so I’m just going to give you some general analogies and anecdotal testimony. I realize that this “data” is, from your frame of reference, subjective (from mine, it’s objective since they’re my anecdotes and it’s limited in its objectivity by my own subjectivity — well, crap!). So look at it as a heuristic exercise or a thought experiment ala Einstein since we can’t come to any real empirically supported conclusions.

/granted, given the inherent super complexity of existence, and after Einstein’s own admissions, I don’t put as much stake in empiricism as it is all probabilistic curves emerging from piecemeal data sets to me anyhow/

So what do I mean by “controlled opposition”? The same thing Stalin meant when he said that to beat the opposition you have to control it, and that works best when the opposition is not aware that it is being controlled.

/granted, I think this is the line along which all my concerns exist/

In politics we have the false left/right paradigm and controlled opposition candidates like Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not aware that he is being controlled. Yet Ron Paul has been in congress over 20 years trying to send the same libertarian message, how is he controlled? Passively. Ron Paul is a known quantity, they already know what he’s all about. If the NWO was threatened by Ron Paul, he’d have been out on his ass years ago. If Ron Paul were to go outside his known behaviors, he’d be replaced by someone just like him (prior to going outside his known behaviors, of course).

/two major points here based on speculation. The first, of Ron Paul being passively controlled, I would admonish as most people are inescapable useful idiots to one extent or other; however, I take umbrage with this line of reasoning in general and would attack it on specifics as well. Similarly, I think the NOW is very much threatened by any kind of Ron Paul, they have dumbed the populace down to the point they don’t consider the political game anything but rigged and will likely, for this reason alone, be able to keep him from becoming a serious political threat – after all the GOP and debate commission are locked down – Maybe though people are awake enough to cause an upset in the GOP struct this time around.

The threat for him being “replaced” is real and exists and until now he has been little more than a nuisance incapable of actually pulling any strings or obtaining any real political power, he has, in my estimation been allowed to exist, because in a way he is useful, useful the same way Fox News puts Napolitano on, to be able to still sell crap you need to throw in some actual value and etc./

Most Americans are totally snowed by the left/right political paradigm, yet to me (and I suspect you as well) it’s blatantly and obviously false enough that it should raise blisters or make you blink your eyes.

/absolutely/

Well, what I’m trying to find a way to express is that the mainstream/alternative media paradigm is just as false.

/interesting thesis and I would agree to a large extent, but also disagree because of the true variance of individual minds and perspectives, adding that we cannot really hope to identify, map or understand the underlying phenomenology in any proper sense as it consists of a mountain of events, conversations and etc. that could not be sufficiently organized in a logicval or cohesive way./

If you can stipulate that the MSM uses Bernays-style mind control techniques in its endless onslaught of hypnotic, symbolic, subliminal and formulaic repetitions, if you can stipulate that the MSM uses “facts” and “truth” as a carrier wave for an underlying emotional message of fear (aka “spin”) which then influences folks to go buy products to alleviate their fear (ex. fear of body odor making one sexually non-viable — BAM! — go get some Axe body spray!) or to vote for candidates that will make them feel safer (ex. “Oh, my God!!! Fundamentalist Muslims want to take away my Cadillac Escalade!” — BAM! — “I’m voting for Bush/Obama/Romney/McCain/Stalin/Hitler/Chiang Kai Shek.”), if you can stipulate to all this, then we can look at Alex Jones, do some compare & contrast, and see if there’s anything to the idea of him being controlled opposition (along with all of the other celebrities of the popular “alternative” media).

/this is the tack I took originally in my own efforts but it did not prove fruitful, anything that may apply I ended up writing off in the last analysis due to two major factors: (1) its important that the people who make up our culture have the wherewithal to be prepared but not afraid and (2) all of the specific and case-by-case analysis of manipulation claims looked erroneous to me, I chalk the vast majority up to Jones himself, hes quite a character and in many ways is precisely the guy he appears to be – I had all the same concerns and suspicions at first but the more I dug into his past the more I see him for what he is – a fat, egotistical, upper middle class white guy from texas who stomps his feet and talks about how his ancestors stood their ground at the Alamo. You look at the early public access stuff and police state films, its very clear he was deadest on gonzo journalism even from day one – publicity and sales vectors included – I see a guy who is, at least in his own mind haha, Locking Horns with the NOW system/

Alex Jones is a known quantity just like Ron Paul. I think he’s allowed to go on because they already know his shtick and he’s not proposing any “solutions” other than the ever useless flyers, protests, make-your-own-videos, write-your-powerless-congressman, vote, etc. “Oh, and whatever you do, don’t be violent.” (Gee, what would the Founding Fathers have done if we’d had Alex Jones instead of Tom Paine or Nathan Hale?)

/known quantity, this idea seems problematic to me, given that in any case the goal is to educate others, it is not the prophet who is of concern to the status quo but rather the effects produced in others. – this is a major theme of my own work lately that you have touched on here – I hate to try to reprise in a handful of words what I have written volumes on but I will endeavor to do that: I look at thousands of years of repression and squandering of human potential by elites, capped off periodically as a culture That is Aware of All of it in Some Concrete and Sustained Manner, by engineered revolutions that merely recycle the power structure. These revolutions Discharge the Cultural and Intellectual FORCE of Culture built up over time. The real war is on the field of the mind however and one must read the essay, The Great Conversation here to get a proper sense of what I mean – I go further of course, to me there is a quantum phenomenological entity created by all these conversations, thoughts, musings and ideas over the generations and indeed, I go MUCH further and suggest that even ideas conjured up in the privacy of one’s own bedroom at 4 in the morning all go into “the field” – okay so what does all of that metaphysical crap really devolve on since we cannot quantify it properly?

Well… for starters, Information/Cultural Warfare

I have come to see jones, despite his flaws and own inability to perceive his functions, as one of many catalysts towards this end and therefore salutary to the body of the species – Infowars, I mean, he already crystallized the philosophy unknowingly, he found the road on his own.

Infowar is the only way forward; creating a culture that is self-sustaining in the generational sense and that is Aware to the individual of what I collectively call History 2.0 – this is true revolution and all hot wars at this point are merely traps and pits into which we will fall as the power inevitably recycles itself into a new and more complete form.

But this can be found in my other writings, my own analysis of the phenomenology of infowar and its value –

The concern here is important and the argument is not lost on me, in fact: No one is more concerned than I of the quality and pureness of the operators in this sphere –I was one of the first people to seriously look at alex jones and ask these questions – I am Still asking them despite any appearances to the contrary./

Alex’s solutions (like the V video contest) generally do nothing except to add to the cacophony. This, by the way, is the reason they’re NEVER going to get rid of the internet — keeps a lot of people busy at their keyboards…hey, wait a damned minute! That’s ME I’m talking about. . .I’m a victim, waaah, waaaah!!!

/To me such an accusation somehow, fundamentally suggests that culture is of little value to you. Or that somehow you have failed to judge how important it is. People making videos, people talking, sharing ideas – that is True War. Indeed, the opposite has been programmed into people to such an extent that I fear your accusations genuine. As if jones, I or yourself would hesitate to pull the trigger… I just don’t see this.

People should be busy at their keyboards – it is a question of the end result – just as one does not hate the OWS people for their ineffectual actions,  its just that we see them wasting their time and being dovetailed into the control struct culturally – the argument that those video contests are ineffectual I think cannot be made.

The goal must be to awaken the species. As Jefferson said, to educate the whole of the people.

Nevertheless, a Huge portion is ineffectual and wasted time, there is a huge false controlled opposition and false alternative media. But let us be clear. Is Jones or is he not – that is the goal of such deliberations as these./

Then there’s the commercial side of Alex’s show. You mentioned that you’ve never given the man a dime. Good for you. I’ve given him a few. Nothing major, I just subscribed to PPTV for about 5 months and sent $10 to his money bomb in 2010. But with the PPTV subscription, I was able to watch Alex live (Oh, joy!) and that’s when all the commercials came into play.

/I watch TAJS on youtube with the commercials edited out, for precisely these reasons; however, having worked extensively in both print and broadcast spaces, I find it hilarious that people object. Dude. You have no idea what WHORES media people are, its ALL ABOUT WHORING TO THE CLIENTS. By contrast I find jones attitude towards his own advertisers so bad that im surprised hes in business – the only thing he does effectively is to pump the spots via his show.
I almost laugh sometimes its like he is just Using these sponsors and when he does plug them its, well hes pretty good actually I can fault him too much but itrs clear he cares more about NOW news than actually advertising – I think that’s why he still has no moral qualms asking for donations and doing outright money bombs that are well produced (certainly better than his advertising, I don’t even think they vet a lot of this shit quite frankly, they take the money and run the ads and or banners and shit)
Those commercials etc are pretty intolerable I agree, its why I avoid em, and I CAN, easily – they make no effort to stop people mirroring their shit, even Day After/

You can research all these things yourself. What I found, and mentioned before, is that most of the products he advertises aren’t necessarily all that great.

For a long time there was the Ecolo-Blue which takes the water out of the air and filters it for your drinking pleasure. A steal at about $1500. (That better be one hell of a dehumidifier because I can get one of those and some water filters for less than a hundred bucks).

That unit has $1k worth of hardware in it, as to the quality of the system I don’t know but it is overpriced, it might be really good though and I just dont know, similar units are cheaper though generally 7-800, hell I pay for water man, the water here is terrible, I pay like $25-30 a month for the big office water bottles and I have to carry that shit in myself haha, I actually wanted a berkey or something but they are too pricey for me, I can never justify the purchase but somehow we justify the monthly fee forever… lol what are you gonna do though, we are hamster on a fucking treadmill if you were born plebs I guess. Everytime I have the money saved up something else takes precedence and I just keep buying from this distributor cuz I kinda know the guy and we have a mutual friend who sells their business products and blah blah blah)

There’s the “Millionaire Patriot” who gives you a “free” gun when you attend his week-long shooting course for something like $1200. (“Step right up! It’s Atomcol, the wonder tonic of the space-age! Free for 5 dollars!!!”). Wow! $1200 for someone to teach me how to point and pull a trigger and I get a FREE gun to boot! What a swell deal.

/I looked into that and its definitely for rich people, I don’t know though you are stretching here already bro – whats wrong with these fucking yuppie idiots learning to shoot? Maybe it will turn some of them into half-american at least from the total NOW drones they are now – the value of the gun and the training I guess is affordable if you have that kind of money to throw around on such things – id rather buy a new gun and about 1-200 worth of ammo though haha – I agree so far though both products are over priced – but I disagree in that they are essentially decent products – ecoloblue and berkey are both pretty solid water systems butthey are like name brand – Then again! These days, everything is made in china who knows, these could be American made or decent items and I couldn’t really suss them out without doing some product comparison, which lets face it, im never gonna get a hands on with a variety of units to do but I will say both products thus far are at least overpriced/

E-foods Direct is the place to go for dehydrated and storable food, right? Their prices suck the balls of the donkey. I can get 3 times as much canned food for the same price. I can get 10 times as much if I buy already dry food like beans, rice, pasta, flour, oatmeal etc.

/I can and have gotten food other places cheaper but I cant say what the quality comparisons are like and it seems like nit picking to me man, are you against yuppies learning to shoot or stored goods? The point of some of that stuff is mostly for hardcore survivalists imo, I keep a decent stock and have storables but no huge amount, the thing is with sotrables you are looking for quality and shelflife etc. having never bought any e-foods though… once again I don’t think either of us can legitimately suss out the Value per price point on these items.

Part of me is like who cares, im not buying any of it and it funds the operation which I consider valuable. The other part of me wants to know to what extent they are or aren’t scams./

Ted Anderson always has his “special deals” on silver and gold coins. He never tells you that the numismatic coins (as opposed to bullion “rounds”) he sells you are called “junk silver” because they’re only 90% silver. He never tells you that those “Walking Liberty Halves” aren’t half-ounces, they’re half-dollars. He never tells you that you can get these junk silver coins in bulk for between a 5 and 10 percent markup on the actual silver value of the coins from a reputable silver trader.

/I will take a look at this, I have not bought metals from Anderson but he is a local dealer and last I checked his prices were comparable and his rounds were .999/

The Silver Lungs generator is another hoot. There’s a lot of talk about colloidal silver being the magic medicine that cures all ills. Since I was chemistry major from ’04 to ’07, I looked at his setup and realized it was worth about 1/3 of what he was charging. I also realized that if you don’t do the process right you’ll get IONIC silver instead of colloidal silver. Inhale enough nebulized IONIC silver and your skin will turn permanently blue like Krishna’s or The Tick’s bodysuit.

/gonna admit I know fuck all about colloidal silver but some people swear by it. Three times over value? Sounds about right these days eh? In all seriousness, people buy mass produced Chinese shit at walmart for 10-20 markup daily, I hope you are wrong on these products but again, I guess some part of me, the part that hasn’t bought any of it, has more fundamental questions./

When Alex started dealing with scam artists like Robert Kiyosaki and Porter Stansberry, that was when I stopped cutting Alex any slack. When he got involved in some MLM liquid vitamin scheme (with his buddy Ted Anderson) he apparently didn’t research the stuff enough because it’s got aspartame in it. (Another song o’ mine relates: “They’re Tryin’ To Turn Me Autistic”)

/Yes this is reprehensible to me on the face of it and they are either massively irresponsible or this is evidence of a lack of moral character and ethical behavior I think, having looked at both it seems like they are bottom feeders – then again, and I want this taken as matter of issue, could not the same arguments be leveled against Schiff or just about anyone? I mean look at wallstreet today bro and seriously ask yourself if Kiyo and Stansberry aren’t par for the course/

He was talking about a social networking site for about a year. I thought it would be cool to have a place on the internet where liberty minded people could get together. The site never happened but he’s sure beefed up his studio facilities. Does he deliver the news better now? Or is he looking more and more like his MSM counterparts?

/operation is slicker and more well-produced, better consistency and volume of material id say. As for a social networking site, they are the only operation that could do it, RTR.org is up and it has functionality and usage issues that I wont go into, its up and running though! For whats it worth when people still just use facebook./

Anyway, this is turning into a novella. Brevity? Clarity? Fuck it. My main background is in linguistics, signals traffic analysis, English, music and chemistry. I’ve been inside the intelligence community with a TS-SCI clearance. I wrote for and copy edited my college paper when I was an English major and blah blah blah.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I already know for a fact that the government censors the news before it ever gets to the MSM (this from a month-long stint in the NSA mailroom ripping classified telexes from stations around the world and distributing them to their end recipients and reading them in the process — funny how those classified reports were never quite the same as what was reported on the news a few days later).

/This is the main concern here, is Jones a useful idiot and or operative element in Some/Any/What/Lets Quantify it sense and then what exactly does that mean for us tactically as a culture etc./

I already know for a fact that “journalists” are the worst kind of liars and bullshitters when they’ve got to have 1,000 words by a deadline. Yes, even “legitimate” journalists MAKE SHIT UP all the time. They’re the worst kind of liar because they purport their b.s. to be truth. At least fiction authors are up front about their stories being fiction.

/and jones does spin the news somewhat in his own vein the way the MSM does theirs, this has been shown I think a few times at least pretty clearly, but then I also say, this is the problem with all news and why you never take what ppl say for fact. Given the subject matter, its all shop talk at some point, this is acknowledged I think among anyone who trucks in intelligence – you are never dealing with certainties./

Bottom line for me is that being a lit’ry type I started catching on to the boundaries of Alex’s narrative (and THIS is what I’m really trying to get a handle on: How NARRATIVE is used to control people. People don’t give a rat’s ass about the facts as long as the story SOUNDS true). I started getting his overall theme. He’s a good guy at heart but he’s begun employing Bernays-esque foulness to his methods.

/This is the gem of it all, is there a narrative being created, is it predictive programming, to what extent etc, – I hypothesized at one point that Ron Paul was a NOW sleeper puppet and he was going to be used to trigger the implosion, they would have him become POTUS then audit the fed and use it as an excuse to burn the building down, evidence of the fraud and all etc. – alex et al. could then be the MTV clearing house for ideology leading up to that; HOWEVER, if this is the plan it is fundamentally flawed, as it will produce a culture that is quite beyond all of it and is not based on any of the leading data points that were projected – it would backfire, if this is or was the plan it has already backfired because people don’t need alex jones or ron paul, just the idea of liberty itself./

Contrary to Machiavelli, I believe that the nature of the means DETERMINES the nature of the ends. Alex is using foul means, therefore he will achieve foul ends.

/generations have misread Machiavelli, he was more like Dickens when writing A Modest Proposal than people will ever understand because any real study of history is lost in the wake of writing software code. I would have you elaborate on precisely what you mean by foul but suspect that you have just laid out what you mean./

Well, enough rambling. This really is too subjective to be able to lock down all the cause and effect. There’s enough there for you to get my mindset on the matter.

/the whisper from your ghost is valid, never question that voice that says “wait a minute” lets take a closer look here. Moreover, from a tactical standpoint, given his momentum now, such deliberations are an issue./

I think it’s also important to point out that there IS value to Alex Jones’s news reportage as long as you have discernment. If you can already read between the lines (as I suspect you can and do — otherwise I wouldn’t have spent the time writing this) then you can glean a veritable shitload of good information from his show. So don’t think I’m all down on Alex. I’m not. I like the guy. I think the panic in his voice and the fear in his wide white eyes are real. I think he really believes what he’s telling us. I also think he’s only human, just like the rest of us. So I take him with a grain of salt.

/part of the feed to me bro, I take it from a very objective standpoint, like a squirrel gathering nuts for winter./

Thanks, Diogenes. I always enjoy running across your comments since your brain always seems to be in the ON position.

/Cheers, hope I have provided some decent feedback here and I think future such deliberations should be done over skype etc. given the subject matter complexity and all. Feel free to hit me up via my non-hosted email that I check and into which the rest dump, treejail@gmail.com

Peace,
El Crommo Grande

SgtCrom

Hail Genes of Dio,

I spent a considerable amount of time writing yesterday, attempting to concisely sum up why I think Alex Jones is controlled opposition (even though I don’t believe he’s aware of it and I still think he means well).

/and I thank you for your time, please know that I take your arguments seriously and respect the effort moreover/

I totally failed with the “concisely” part. I think this is mostly because I have no basis upon which to project what details of data you already know so I’m just going to give you some general analogies and anecdotal testimony. I realize that this “data” is, from your frame of reference, subjective (from mine, it’s objective since they’re my anecdotes and it’s limited in its objectivity by my own subjectivity — well, crap!). So look at it as a heuristic exercise or a thought experiment ala Einstein since we can’t come to any real empirically supported conclusions.

/granted, given the inherent super complexity of existence, and after Einstein’s own admissions, I don’t put as much stake in empiricism as it is all probabilistic curves emerging from piecemeal data sets to me anyhow/

So what do I mean by “controlled opposition”? The same thing Stalin meant when he said that to beat the opposition you have to control it, and that works best when the opposition is not aware that it is being controlled.

/granted, I think this is the line along which all my concerns exist/

In politics we have the false left/right paradigm and controlled opposition candidates like Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not aware that he is being controlled. Yet Ron Paul has been in congress over 20 years trying to send the same libertarian message, how is he controlled? Passively. Ron Paul is a known quantity, they already know what he’s all about. If the NWO was threatened by Ron Paul, he’d have been out on his ass years ago. If Ron Paul were to go outside his known behaviors, he’d be replaced by someone just like him (prior to going outside his known behaviors, of course).

/two major points here based on speculation. The first, of Ron Paul being passively controlled, I would admonish as most people are inescapable useful idiots to one extent or other; however, I take umbrage with this line of reasoning in general and would attack it on specifics as well. Similarly, I think the NOW is very much threatened by any kind of Ron Paul, they have dumbed the populace down to the point they don’t consider the political game anything but rigged and will likely, for this reason alone, be able to keep him from becoming a serious political threat – after all the GOP and debate commission are locked down – Maybe though people are awake enough to cause an upset in the GOP struct this time around.

The threat for him being “replaced” is real and exists and until now he has been little more than a nuisance incapable of actually pulling any strings or obtaining any real political power, he has, in my estimation been allowed to exist, because in a way he is useful, useful the same way Fox News puts Napolitano on, to be able to still sell crap you need to throw in some actual value and etc./

Most Americans are totally snowed by the left/right political paradigm, yet to me (and I suspect you as well) it’s blatantly and obviously false enough that it should raise blisters or make you blink your eyes.

/absolutely/

Well, what I’m trying to find a way to express is that the mainstream/alternative media paradigm is just as false.

/interesting thesis and I would agree to a large extent, but also disagree because of the true variance of individual minds and perspectives, adding that we cannot really hope to identify, map or understand the underlying phenomenology in any proper sense as it consists of a mountain of events, conversations and etc. that could not be sufficiently organized in a logicval or cohesive way./

If you can stipulate that the MSM uses Bernays-style mind control techniques in its endless onslaught of hypnotic, symbolic, subliminal and formulaic repetitions, if you can stipulate that the MSM uses “facts” and “truth” as a carrier wave for an underlying emotional message of fear (aka “spin”) which then influences folks to go buy products to alleviate their fear (ex. fear of body odor making one sexually non-viable — BAM! — go get some Axe body spray!) or to vote for candidates that will make them feel safer (ex. “Oh, my God!!! Fundamentalist Muslims want to take away my Cadillac Escalade!” — BAM! — “I’m voting for Bush/Obama/Romney/McCain/Stalin/Hitler/Chiang Kai Shek.”), if you can stipulate to all this, then we can look at Alex Jones, do some compare & contrast, and see if there’s anything to the idea of him being controlled opposition (along with all of the other celebrities of the popular “alternative” media).

/this is the tack I took originally in my own efforts but it did not prove fruitful, anything that may apply I ended up writing off in the last analysis due to two major factors: (1) its important that the people who make up our culture have the wherewithal to be prepared but not afraid and (2) all of the specific and case-by-case analysis of manipulation claims looked erroneous to me, I chalk the vast majority up to Jones himself, hes quite a character and in many ways is precisely the guy he appears to be – I had all the same concerns and suspicions at first but the more I dug into his past the more I see him for what he is – a fat, egotistical, upper middle class white guy from texas who stomps his feet and talks about how his ancestors stood their ground at the Alamo. You look at the early public access stuff and police state films, its very clear he was deadest on gonzo journalism even from day one – publicity and sales vectors included – I see a guy who is, at least in his own mind haha, Locking Horns with the NOW system/

Alex Jones is a known quantity just like Ron Paul. I think he’s allowed to go on because they already know his shtick and he’s not proposing any “solutions” other than the ever useless flyers, protests, make-your-own-videos, write-your-powerless-congressman, vote, etc. “Oh, and whatever you do, don’t be violent.” (Gee, what would the Founding Fathers have done if we’d had Alex Jones instead of Tom Paine or Nathan Hale?)

/known quantity, this idea seems problematic to me, given that in any case the goal is to educate others, it is not the prophet who is of concern to the status quo but rather the effects produced in others. – this is a major theme of my own work lately that you have touched on here – I hate to try to reprise in a handful of words what I have written volumes on but I will endeavor to do that: I look at thousands of years of repression and squandering of human potential by elites, capped off periodically as a culture That is Aware of All of it in Some Concrete and Sustained Manner, by engineered revolutions that merely recycle the power structure. These revolutions Discharge the Cultural and Intellectual FORCE of Culture built up over time. The real war is on the field of the mind however and one must read the essay, The Great Conversation here to get a proper sense of what I mean – I go further of course, to me there is a quantum phenomenological entity created by all these conversations, thoughts, musings and ideas over the generations and indeed, I go MUCH further and suggest that even ideas conjured up in the privacy of one’s own bedroom at 4 in the morning all go into “the field” – okay so what does all of that metaphysical crap really devolve on since we cannot quantify it properly?

Well… for starters, Information/Cultural Warfare

I have come to see jones, despite his flaws and own inability to perceive his functions, as one of many catalysts towards this end and therefore salutary to the body of the species – Infowars, I mean, he already crystallized the philosophy unknowingly, he found the road on his own.

Infowar is the only way forward; creating a culture that is self-sustaining in the generational sense and that is Aware to the individual of what I collectively call History 2.0 – this is true revolution and all hot wars at this point are merely traps and pits into which we will fall as the power inevitably recycles itself into a new and more complete form.

But this can be found in my other writings, my own analysis of the phenomenology of infowar and its value –

The concern here is important and the argument is not lost on me, in fact: No one is more concerned than I of the quality and pureness of the operators in this sphere –I was one of the first people to seriously look at alex jones and ask these questions – I am Still asking them despite any appearances to the contrary./

Alex’s solutions (like the V video contest) generally do nothing except to add to the cacophony. This, by the way, is the reason they’re NEVER going to get rid of the internet — keeps a lot of people busy at their keyboards…hey, wait a damned minute! That’s ME I’m talking about. . .I’m a victim, waaah, waaaah!!!

/To me such an accusation somehow, fundamentally suggests that culture is of little value to you. Or that somehow you have failed to judge how important it is. People making videos, people talking, sharing ideas – that is True War. Indeed, the opposite has been programmed into people to such an extent that I fear your accusations genuine. As if jones, I or yourself would hesitate to pull the trigger… I just don’t see this.

People should be busy at their keyboards – it is a question of the end result – just as one does not hate the OWS people for their ineffectual actions,  its just that we see them wasting their time and being dovetailed into the control struct culturally – the argument that those video contests are ineffectual I think cannot be made.

The goal must be to awaken the species. As Jefferson said, to educate the whole of the people.

Nevertheless, a Huge portion is ineffectual and wasted time, there is a huge false controlled opposition and false alternative media. But let us be clear. Is Jones or is he not – that is the goal of such deliberations as these./

Then there’s the commercial side of Alex’s show. You mentioned that you’ve never given the man a dime. Good for you. I’ve given him a few. Nothing major, I just subscribed to PPTV for about 5 months and sent $10 to his money bomb in 2010. But with the PPTV subscription, I was able to watch Alex live (Oh, joy!) and that’s when all the commercials came into play.

/I watch TAJS on youtube with the commercials edited out, for precisely these reasons; however, having worked extensively in both print and broadcast spaces, I find it hilarious that people object. Dude. You have no idea what WHORES media people are, its ALL ABOUT WHORING TO THE CLIENTS. By contrast I find jones attitude towards his own advertisers so bad that im surprised hes in business – the only thing he does effectively is to pump the spots via his show.

I almost laugh sometimes its like he is just Using these sponsors and when he does plug them its, well hes pretty good actually I can fault him too much but itrs clear he cares more about NOW news than actually advertising – I think that’s why he still has no moral qualms asking for donations and doing outright money bombs that are well produced (certainly better than his advertising, I don’t even think they vet a lot of this shit quite frankly, they take the money and run the ads and or banners and shit)

Those commercials etc are pretty intolerable I agree, its why I avoid em, and I CAN, easily – they make no effort to stop people mirroring their shit, even Day After/

You can research all these things yourself. What I found, and mentioned before, is that most of the products he advertises aren’t necessarily all that great.

For a long time there was the Ecolo-Blue which takes the water out of the air and filters it for your drinking pleasure. A steal at about $1500. (That better be one hell of a dehumidifier because I can get one of those and some water filters for less than a hundred bucks).

That unit has $1k worth of hardware in it, as to the quality of the system I don’t know but it is overpriced, it might be really good though and I just dont know, similar units are cheaper though generally 7-800, hell I pay for water man, the water here is terrible, I pay like $25-30 a month for the big office water bottles and I have to carry that shit in myself haha, I actually wanted a berkey or something but they are too pricey for me, I can never justify the purchase but somehow we justify the monthly fee forever… lol what are you gonna do though, we are hamster on a fucking treadmill if you were born plebs I guess. Everytime I have the money saved up something else takes precedence and I just keep buying from this distributor cuz I kinda know the guy and we have a mutual friend who sells their business products and blah blah blah)

There’s the “Millionaire Patriot” who gives you a “free” gun when you attend his week-long shooting course for something like $1200. (“Step right up! It’s Atomcol, the wonder tonic of the space-age! Free for 5 dollars!!!”). Wow! $1200 for someone to teach me how to point and pull a trigger and I get a FREE gun to boot! What a swell deal.

/I looked into that and its definitely for rich people, I don’t know though you are stretching here already bro – whats wrong with these fucking yuppie idiots learning to shoot? Maybe it will turn some of them into half-american at least from the total NOW drones they are now – the value of the gun and the training I guess is affordable if you have that kind of money to throw around on such things – id rather buy a new gun and about 1-200 worth of ammo though haha – I agree so far though both products are over priced – but I disagree in that they are essentially decent products – ecoloblue and berkey are both pretty solid water systems butthey are like name brand – Then again! These days, everything is made in china who knows, these could be American made or decent items and I couldn’t really suss them out without doing some product comparison, which lets face it, im never gonna get a hands on with a variety of units to do but I will say both products thus far are at least overpriced/

E-foods Direct is the place to go for dehydrated and storable food, right? Their prices suck the balls of the donkey. I can get 3 times as much canned food for the same price. I can get 10 times as much if I buy already dry food like beans, rice, pasta, flour, oatmeal etc.

/I can and have gotten food other places cheaper but I cant say what the quality comparisons are like and it seems like nit picking to me man, are you against yuppies learning to shoot or stored goods? The point of some of that stuff is mostly for hardcore survivalists imo, I keep a decent stock and have storables but no huge amount, the thing is with sotrables you are looking for quality and shelflife etc. having never bought any e-foods though… once again I don’t think either of us can legitimately suss out the Value per price point on these items.

Part of me is like who cares, im not buying any of it and it funds the operation which I consider valuable. The other part of me wants to know to what extent they are or aren’t scams./

Ted Anderson always has his “special deals” on silver and gold coins. He never tells you that the numismatic coins (as opposed to bullion “rounds”) he sells you are called “junk silver” because they’re only 90% silver. He never tells you that those “Walking Liberty Halves” aren’t half-ounces, they’re half-dollars. He never tells you that you can get these junk silver coins in bulk for between a 5 and 10 percent markup on the actual silver value of the coins from a reputable silver trader.

/I will take a look at this, I have not bought metals from Anderson but he is a local dealer and last I checked his prices were comparable and his rounds were .999/

The Silver Lungs generator is another hoot. There’s a lot of talk about colloidal silver being the magic medicine that cures all ills. Since I was chemistry major from ’04 to ’07, I looked at his setup and realized it was worth about 1/3 of what he was charging. I also realized that if you don’t do the process right you’ll get IONIC silver instead of colloidal silver. Inhale enough nebulized IONIC silver and your skin will turn permanently blue like Krishna’s or The Tick’s bodysuit.

/gonna admit I know fuck all about colloidal silver but some people swear by it. Three times over value? Sounds about right these days eh? In all seriousness, people buy mass produced Chinese shit at walmart for 10-20 markup daily, I hope you are wrong on these products but again, I guess some part of me, the part that hasn’t bought any of it, has more fundamental questions./

When Alex started dealing with scam artists like Robert Kiyosaki and Porter Stansberry, that was when I stopped cutting Alex any slack. When he got involved in some MLM liquid vitamin scheme (with his buddy Ted Anderson) he apparently didn’t research the stuff enough because it’s got aspartame in it. (Another song o’ mine relates: “They’re Tryin’ To Turn Me Autistic”)

/Yes this is reprehensible to me on the face of it and they are either massively irresponsible or this is evidence of a lack of moral character and ethical behavior I think, having looked at both it seems like they are bottom feeders – then again, and I want this taken as matter of issue, could not the same arguments be leveled against Schiff or just about anyone? I mean look at wallstreet today bro and seriously ask yourself if Kiyo and Stansberry aren’t par for the course/

He was talking about a social networking site for about a year. I thought it would be cool to have a place on the internet where liberty minded people could get together. The site never happened but he’s sure beefed up his studio facilities. Does he deliver the news better now? Or is he looking more and more like his MSM counterparts?

/operation is slicker and more well-produced, better consistency and volume of material id say. As for a social networking site, they are the only operation that could do it, RTR.org is up and it has functionality and usage issues that I wont go into, its up and running though! For whats it worth when people still just use facebook./

Anyway, this is turning into a novella. Brevity? Clarity? Fuck it. My main background is in linguistics, signals traffic analysis, English, music and chemistry. I’ve been inside the intelligence community with a TS-SCI clearance. I wrote for and copy edited my college paper when I was an English major and blah blah blah.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I already know for a fact that the government censors the news before it ever gets to the MSM (this from a month-long stint in the NSA mailroom ripping classified telexes from stations around the world and distributing them to their end recipients and reading them in the process — funny how those classified reports were never quite the same as what was reported on the news a few days later).

/This is the main concern here, is Jones a useful idiot and or operative element in Some/Any/What/Lets Quantify it sense and then what exactly does that mean for us tactically as a culture etc./

I already know for a fact that “journalists” are the worst kind of liars and bullshitters when they’ve got to have 1,000 words by a deadline. Yes, even “legitimate” journalists MAKE SHIT UP all the time. They’re the worst kind of liar because they purport their b.s. to be truth. At least fiction authors are up front about their stories being fiction.

/and jones does spin the news somewhat in his own vein the way the MSM does theirs, this has been shown I think a few times at least pretty clearly, but then I also say, this is the problem with all news and why you never take what ppl say for fact. Given the subject matter, its all shop talk at some point, this is acknowledged I think among anyone who trucks in intelligence – you are never dealing with certainties./

Bottom line for me is that being a lit’ry type I started catching on to the boundaries of Alex’s narrative (and THIS is what I’m really trying to get a handle on: How NARRATIVE is used to control people. People don’t give a rat’s ass about the facts as long as the story SOUNDS true). I started getting his overall theme. He’s a good guy at heart but he’s begun employing Bernays-esque foulness to his methods.

/This is the gem of it all, is there a narrative being created, is it predictive programming, to what extent etc, – I hypothesized at one point that Ron Paul was a NOW sleeper puppet and he was going to be used to trigger the implosion, they would have him become POTUS then audit the fed and use it as an excuse to burn the building down, evidence of the fraud and all etc. – alex et al. could then be the MTV clearing house for ideology leading up to that; HOWEVER, if this is the plan it is fundamentally flawed, as it will produce a culture that is quite beyond all of it and is not based on any of the leading data points that were projected – it would backfire, if this is or was the plan it has already backfired because people don’t need alex jones or ron paul, just the idea of liberty itself./

Contrary to Machiavelli, I believe that the nature of the means DETERMINES the nature of the ends. Alex is using foul means, therefore he will achieve foul ends.

/generations have misread Machiavelli, he was more like Dickens when writing A Modest Proposal than people will ever understand because any real study of history is lost in the wake of writing software code. I would have you elaborate on precisely what you mean by foul but suspect that you have just laid out what you mean./

Well, enough rambling. This really is too subjective to be able to lock down all the cause and effect. There’s enough there for you to get my mindset on the matter.

/the whisper from your ghost is valid, never question that voice that says “wait a minute” lets take a closer look here. Moreover, from a tactical standpoint, given his momentum now, such deliberations are an issue./

I think it’s also important to point out that there IS value to Alex Jones’s news reportage as long as you have discernment. If you can already read between the lines (as I suspect you can and do — otherwise I wouldn’t have spent the time writing this) then you can glean a veritable shitload of good information from his show. So don’t think I’m all down on Alex. I’m not. I like the guy. I think the panic in his voice and the fear in his wide white eyes are real. I think he really believes what he’s telling us. I also think he’s only human, just like the rest of us. So I take him with a grain of salt.

/part of the feed to me bro, I take it from a very objective standpoint, like a squirrel gathering nuts for winter./

Thanks, Diogenes. I always enjoy running across your comments since your brain always seems to be in the ON position.

/Cheers, hope I have provided some decent feedback here and I think future such deliberations should be done over skype etc. given the subject matter complexity and all. Feel free to hit me up via my non-hosted email that I check and into which the rest dump,

Peace,

El Crommo Grande

SgtCrom

can you hear her rumbling in the streets and whispering in the abandoned factories, in the dying cries of men destroyed by injustice?

She belongs to all men,this Noble Idea of Liberty

let those with ears for it hear this new music

and let us new listeners rejoice, FOR THE CHAINS OF THE LAST SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS ARE ABOUT TO BE BROKEN!

THE POTENTIAL OF OUR SPECIES SHALL BE SQUANDERED BY TYRANTS – NO MORE!

“Even as Governments Act, Time Runs Short for Euro”

Hello,

I am the New York Times, I am a key position in the hijacked fourth estate.

I am here to fill your head with predictive programming.

I say shit like the title of this article with a straight face and have no respect for my readers.

I get paid to shill for the NWO you see and we have a vested interest in keeping you dumb and on the plantation.

Shit, by the time you are done reading this, you will think it all happened by chance and these players are heroic for “stepping in” to save the troubled economies… with IMPORTANT LEGISLATION.

I will never tell you we made it all happen.

I will never explain how it is engineered and how out of chaos, we bring our order.

bertrand russell and thomas paine referenced in the opening remarks in the same breath

you dont need to worry about the probability of metaphysics having substance, or gods wroth

ill kill you myself

bertrand russell equated to thomas paine

when you realize you are dealing with someone who has zero intellectual conscience and so little respect for the work of science, that such a gross incongruity escapes him effortlessly, it all becomes funny

it all becomes just the latest travail in a long line of clucking for the animal that invented knowledge

“none are so enchained as those who mistakenly think themselves free” –goethe
and then ultimately

the reason none of this holds any value to me, one way Or the other

is that the question itself isnt really that interesting

you have an inherently super-complex world with multiple dimensions that looks more and more like some kind of holographic fractal where perception conditions existence and on the other hand you have very real, historical and logistical substance of otherwise useless praxis

good people cannot sit on either seat
yes, i put my chair in the middle: deliberately.

to the metaphysicians i say: te ignosce

and to the bad scientists i come with a whip and scorn them in the name of scientific conscience and circumspection

and i will say to both what Sgt. Ermey did in full metal jacket, “to me, you are all equally worthless.”
chris still has my respect for one reason alone

IN VINO VERITAS

right old boy?

RIGHT!?

alas, all the esoteric magick in the world wont save the rich men and all the wisdom on earth wont save the plebs – selah
The Religion vs Science sideshow is part of the NWO plan to destroy all religion incidentally